Poll: Is the Penn State Punishment Fair?
PSU hit with four-year postseason ban and $60 million penalty.
The NCAA levied numerous sanctions against Pennsylvania State University Monday morning, including a ban that will keep its football team from competing in any postseason play for the next four seasons and a $60 million fine.
The NCAA will also strip the program of 112 wins – all but one of which came under Joe Paterno – dating back to 1998. The vacated victories mean that Paterno will no longer hold the title of winningest coach in college football history.
Penn State will also be required to reduce its number of football scholarships from 25 to 15 over the next four seasons. In addition, players currently attending the university will keep their scholarships, regardless of whether or not they continue to play football, NCAA resident Mark Emmert said at a press conference.
Current team members and new recruits will be able to transfer to another university and forego any standard period of ineligibility.
Finally, Emmert said the NCAA would continue to investigate the action of university personnel regarding the handling of Jerry Sandusky, and could issue individual sanctions upon the completion of all criminal cases.
Linda G
11:09 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Unfortunately they needed to give a loud and clear messages to all colleges - this was very fair - now that we have learned the punishment, can we please now work on what happened to the DA years ago - He was the one that originally was informed of Sandusky's activites and said there wasn't enough evidence - I believe he was paid off to dissapear or was taken care of. He knew what was coming and I am sure aware of a coverup -
Jay Imbody
9:24 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
How dare the president of the NCAA say he wants to make sure football is about education and keeping kids safe. For the past 30 years, NCAA sports has been about money and getting boosters good seats at the games - period. If you can't wrap yourself around that, you are just as plastic as he is.
Lesley Misko
11:16 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
There is inconsistency among what is going on legally, what the NCAA decided, and what the mob screams after being fed by a media frenzy that is producing headlines that are not accurate. In America -- the land where people are supposedly innocent until proven guilty -- this is the most amazing case of mob behavior at its worst, almost an example of a primitive lust for blood (metaphorically)... and by the way, I don't give a rip about football at Penn State or anywhere else.
Doris
8:06 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Agree with you, Lesley--except we do care about Penn State football.
RS
11:33 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I voted for "no, these sanctions should have been tougher." But it's showing that there 3 votes on this poll, none on the option I selected. Please check that the poll is working correctly.
Kyle Bagenstose
11:48 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Interesting Becky, does the page display as if you've voted now, or are you able to do so again? Just wondering if it went through properly.
james myers
12:03 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I believe the sancations against the football team are way out of line, those players had absolutely nothing to do with what sandusky did, the ncaa has too much power to make these recommendtions against a football team who did not violate any children. those records should continue to stand.
Cher
5:53 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree.
Doris
7:43 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
and I agree!
Bob Heller
12:59 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The current players don't have anything to do with it..yet the only thing that got taken away from them is their ability to play in the post-season....They still have their scholarships...they are still getting a FREE quality education...so big deal if they have to miss a few post-season games...The NCAA did what it needed to do...
Shawnee
12:12 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Yes, punishment against the university should be harsh but the students should NOT be penalized. Taking away scholarships and not letting the players be involved in any post season games is unfair to them....The real people involved in this mess should be the ones punished for their actions (or lack there of).
Cher
5:52 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree.
Walt
12:01 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
And punishment should be handed out only after a full investigation is completed. That has not happened yet. How is the NCAA going to look if Curley, Schultz and Spanier are found not-guilty of a coverup?
Bob Heller
1:02 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
How is not being allowed to play in the post-season unfair? and no current player is getting their scholarship taken away....Scholarship reduction will effect future recruiting classes and besides, there's always need-based financial aid available
james frank
1:17 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The innocent will suffer. What wrong was done by players, PSU's student body and local businesses that DEPEND on a vital football program? Totally unrelated to the Sandusky crimes.
Punish the individual perpetrators, not the university.
PSU got no unfair advantage, as in all other sanctions in NCAA history. The NCAA sanctimonious stance is not unlike the Inquisitions of the middle ages.
Shame on the NCAA.
Cher
5:02 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree.
A. Victor Meitner, Jr.
2:14 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
What ever happened to "due process"? Vic Meitner
Karen
2:39 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
My issue is everyone is forgetting about the victims. It's all about the punishment Penn State receives. Football at Penn State will survive. The shame is all anyone cares about is the program. Penn State is so much more than a football team. Anyone who depends Paterno etc should have to face those victims and see how they feel about it. All these supporters would feel differently if it had been their child, friend, family or neighbor molested in the locker room by Sandusky.
Orlando
4:55 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Amen
james frank
10:51 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
No one has forgotten Sandusky's victims. But the NCAA just victimized many many more.
Walt
12:04 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The only ones forgetting abou the true victims in this is the media. Sandusky is in jail for the rest of his life. For the media, there's nothing more to report in regards to the victims. It's time for headliner news and that's why the mob went after the university.
Did the administration fail in its duties? Absolutely. Was there a willing conspiracy to cover it up? Not obvious to me after reading the Freeh report.
Stephen Eickhoff
3:28 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
It's a shame about the student athletes, past and present, that will suffer thanks to the knee-jerk behavior of the NCAA.
kevin smith
9:24 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
As opposed to the well thought out cover-up by university officials.
Not Fair
4:48 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The school should be punished and not the current students. The board of trustees and Gov. Corbett didn't do anything back in 1998. What punishment are they getting.
Orlando
4:50 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Everyone is worried about the poor players and the university. The university covered up the acts of an animal all to protect the football program. They should have gotten the death penalty. The football players that are worth anything will transfer and the others should as well. The whole program should be suspended.
james frank
10:54 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Four people were found to be responsible for the cover up, not the entire university.
John Q. Public
5:19 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The employees responsible have either already been punished, died, or are awaiting trial. This only will punish high school seniors who what to excel in that program, and had nothing to do with the crimes/laxity of the former Penn State employees.
Cher
5:03 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree.
Marc L.
5:30 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
They punished the program and not the players. This is a statment above everything else -- that the cult of personality that runs these athletic programs and runs these schools will no longer be tolerated. One head coach...one athletic director...one school president should not have the power to cover-up a crime. This was not a knee-jerk reaction. This was the NCAA's way of saying that the events that were uncovered in the independent investigation and follow-up report will not be tolerated. I commend them for swift justice.
Victor B. Krievins
6:08 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Ditto
Grace
6:47 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I agree with the person who asked the question about the original DA, who got the case and disappeared? Also I am concerned about the fact that people have demonized a man that is dead and aren't focusing on the man who commited these crimes. Jerry Sandusky abused these children , unfortunately Joe Paterno isn't here to answer all of these questions and why aren't we just as outraged with the police who did nothing about these allegations? I too like a previous poster have no interst in college football but I do have a interest in justice and what I feel is right and somhow what has been done here just doesn't seem right.
Terry
8:30 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Please, please, please do not vacate the Penn State wins. The thousands of students who performed on the field, who cheered in the stands, and the loyal alumni who sustain the program are not guilty of any wrong doing. They are the faithful heroes of Penn State and deserve no tarnish from the tragedy wrought by the leadership of the institution. Please reinstate the wins and acknowledge the effort of each individual who contributed to those wins.
Marc L.
8:38 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The wins still happened. The players got all of those touchdowns and passing yards and interceptions and tackles and sacks. But the wins do not count towards school records because their coach at the time, Paterno, turned a blind eye towards the victims of a crime in order to keep the football program above the fray. That sort of dishonesty deserves the punishment received. Paterno isn't deserving of being the "winningest" coach in NCAA history.
Cher
5:50 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree.
Mari
8:34 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I feel so badly for the students. They did not cause this mess and should not be penalized for actions taken by the big boys at Penn State. I just hope the big boys get what's coming to them - they collectively killed JoePa....
Marc L.
8:40 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Please explain to me how the students are being penalized. And by students I'm assuming you mean the ones who don't suit up for the games but the ones who are going to the COLLEGE for an EDUCATION.
Also, the only thing that killed JoePa is cancer. Not the "big boys" and not a broken heart.
jerry sody
5:40 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
the NCAA overstepped its ability to act and I for one do not believe for one moment that Joe Paterno had any knowledge or partook of any action to interfere with any investigations......he did not withhold information and was straightforward with everybody ..........he remains a great man!!!!!
kevin smith
9:28 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
When are people going to realize that as great as he pretended to be, he did not do enough? By the way, read the emails ... he did have knowledge ... ask yourself this, when Sandusky was up for the University of Virginia head coaching job, after being hailed as a defensive genius and leading Penn State to a National Championship, why didn't he get that job ... because "someone" whispered into the ear of UVA that there might be a problem.
Deborah Snyder
5:41 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
If all the MEN who were aware of the allegatioins against Sandusky handled it from the beginning by going to child welfare and the off campus police there would have been a scandle but it would have cleared up quickly. These MEN choose to keep it quiet. If they had done the right thing from the beginning we wouldn't be talking about this now and PSU would be rolling along as usual.
Cher
5:48 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Why are the players being punished? That doesn't seem fair.
Marc L.
6:53 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
How exactly are the players being punished? The current players still have games to play. The former players still have all of their statistics and their college degrees (those who finished up school -- which at Penn State is a tremendously high percentage). Please explain how the players -- past or present -- are being punished.
Cher
7:41 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The players were not responsible for the actions (or lack of) the PSU coaches and admin. It would seem they are paying a price. But I was just thinking, I wonder if any of them knew what was going on. Anyway, it's done. My daughter is a 2001 grad, but she wasn't there for the mega football program, JUST a really great education.
Marc L.
8:31 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Again...what price are the players paying? How exactly are they being punished?
Love25
8:14 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Everyone is looking at this like the players are being punished. I do not see it that way, the players have an opportunity to transfer or play at Penn State. Penn State still has a football program, and they will be back in bowl games soon. This is an opportunity for Penn State to start a new football program and build that program's reputation. Things will go back to a state of normal for PSU, unlike the victims who will never be able to go back and fix what happened to them. So PSU take your reprecussions with dignity and stop crying about losing wins and bowl games, it just lends to the point that the culture of penn state is solely focused on football (and protecting it) instead of the good of the community. Had Joe or any of the others come forward in 1998 they would have been hero's and saved so many children from the unimaginable, yet they didn't...all for what? To protect a football program...a football program.
Sherry Jacobs
12:10 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
No the players are being punished. Just making more victims. Just because of someone's assumptions.
Bob Heller
1:14 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
No Sherry I think you're wrong...Are the players there to play football first or get an education? If you think its football than you have your priorities mixed up...no player is losing their scholarship, thus they still have the opportunity to play AND get a FREE education
Marc L.
1:18 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To the people who keep saying that the players are being punished please tell me HOW they are being punished. Please.
Bob Heller
1:27 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Spot on Marc...I'd like to hear that explanation as well.
Marc L.
7:42 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Bob: It's just frustrating that a lot of these people complaining about the sanctions seem to be wearing the very same blinders that Paterno and crew wore when the abuse was going on. The NCAA had to punish the football program for what was covered up, plain and simple. And in doing so they are sending a message to the rest of the teams who abide by NCAA regulations that this will not be tolerated -- and if it takes place that the punishment will be swift and it will be severe.
Cher
4:59 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Some of these players have been planning to play football at PSU way before this scandal came out. Some won't get to play because scholarships have been cut. Some will have to switch gears and find another program. (And there are others, no doubt, that will accept them) And just what is the incentive to play? No chance for a bowl game for incoming freshman. Smaller crowds to cheer them on. But the biggest reason is ...IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!!! It is also not the fault of the former players who are now part of a legacy of losses from 1998 till present. They played those games with no knowledge of dirty deeds. That's it. I'm done. We agree to disagree.
Marc L.
7:38 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
1) No existing players will lose scholarships. The loss of scholarships begins with the next recruiting crop. In fact, any player on the team who is currently playing under a scholarship has that scholarship guaranteed -- even if they DONT play football -- during their time at PSU thanks to the terms of the sanctions.
2) For the students who decide that they would like to switch gears and find another program, they can change schools and play immediately. Under normal circumstances they would have had to red-shirt (a.k.a. "sit out") a year. The terms of the sanctions make it easier for a PSU player to transfer to another school without suffering any loss in playing time.
3) No chance of playing in a Bowl Game is not a punishment, and if they're not happy with that predicament they have the option to transfer to another college.
4) Smaller crowds to cheer them on is NOT the fault of the NCAA. That's the fault of PSU's potentially fickle fanbase. If you're concerned about smaller crowds then by all means please buy a ticket and go to the game. Apparently there are going to be plenty of seats according to all of the naysayers.
5) The players who played the games that were vacated do not have a "legacy of losses. That's not what vacated wins means. They don't count for the coaching record but all player stats, including wins, still exist.
5) Saying "It's not their fault" is not a reason nor does it explain how they are being punished.
Love25
9:02 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
@cher, They are lucky the NCAA didn't give them the death penalty, which is what they actually deserved. SMU did far less than this disgusting ring of men who not only control your mind apparently but the minds of many other brainwased alum and students, and they received the death penalty. These future players you speak of can go to another school if they want to go to a bowl game, you're whole argument sounds like someone with clearly mixed priorities. The football program that exisited at penn state was a corrupt organization (in one of the worst ways imaginable) and once exposed needs to be punished. In the grand scheme of things you are complaining about smaller crowds and legacies, really?. First off, it is only the coaching winsthat were vacated, not the players stats and wins. Secondly, to even think about incentive to play, should be a non issue. College is about getting an education being able to play football is a bonus. Something terrible went down at this university and it was the fault of a football program and it's leaders who thought they were above the law and had absolutley no moral standard. You can not let a organization continue to operate and honor something so tainted. The NCAA did psu a favor by allowing them to continue to play football and build a new program.
Jamie Maerz
9:00 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I think what the NCAA imposed now added many, many children to the victims list. It's typical mob mentality to try and destroy the whole school and the many other good things they accomplish, such as Thon and other fundraisers that have helped the community. Shouldn't everyone remember who the real criminal is and concentrate on that and only the people that are absolutely responsible for the cover-up. There are many Penn State haters that would love to see the college crash. What they should now do is reach out to as many alumni and students as well and come up with ideas to counteract the bowl games, such as come up with their own tradition that draws out the fans and gains momentum. They can also try and build up their other teams, such as basketball and stand up for all the other good things about the school, such as their academics and other things accomplished. Remember, the kids didn't commit any crimes! And neither did the present coaches!
Roman Gabriel
10:34 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Jamie, you are right on !
Frankie DeCat
10:38 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Burn it to the gound and build a trash to steam plant, but let the students leave before you throw the match
Cher
4:32 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I agree with you.
Bob Heller
10:11 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
@Jamie "What they should now do is reach out to as many alumni and students as well and come up with ideas to counteract the bowl games, such as come up with their own tradition that draws out the fans and gains momentum. They can also try and build up their other teams, such as basketball and stand up for all the other good things about the school, such as their academics and other things accomplished" This is the kind of thing that the NCAA hopes would happen with their sanctions... The NCAA is not trying to destroy the school...The current players on the team keep their scholarships and will continue to get a free education at Penn State...even if they never pick up a football again...As someone who has worked in college athletics for nearly 30 years (not at PSU or any of their rival schools) - A good education is MORE important than a bowl game in my book...Penn State will weather the storm...just wait and see.
Mary Keptke
5:12 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Why hasn't the NCAA done anything about Syracuse? Maybe it is because ESPN was involved. The coach committing the atrocities was a current coach, not a retired coach. on a team with 5 coaches not on a team with 30 coaches.
Canoeal
5:29 pm on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Tis is a very serious offense and needs to be harshly dealt with. If it is not we could here it come up elsewhere...The coverup is the worst part.
mickey harrison
12:02 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
this whole thing was about children being hurt. so some feel that the solution is to hurt more children with sanctions including our worthless president. i have 2 children at this wonderful school who are feeling depressed. its just not right.